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Solaufein Dev'Lin
Site Admin
Joined: 30 Apr 2008
Posts: 86
Location: East Coast USA
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 Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: Ranking Structure |
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I was part of a lengthy discussion over the intricacies of drow culture, in specific its ranking structure. I that it would be a valuable asset to members of the House if they understood what is expected of them and how they can attain greater postions of power. At the end of this I also have a proposal for members of the House to be the first to put a new system to test that I think will allow us to player our drow characters more in line with the source material that we all use.
Ranking System
Ilharess (10)
Ulathtaller (10)
Yathtaller (9)
Archmage of Szith (9)
Warlord of Szith (9)
Head of the VDVM (9)
Yathrin (8)
Master of Sorcere (8)
Master of Melee (8)
House Wizard (8)
House Weaponmaster (8)
House Assassin (8)
Yath'abban (6)
Wizard (6)
Lieutenant (6)
Assassin (6)
Apprentice (4)
Soldier (4)
Thief (4)
The numbers listed beside the rank are the values of that rank. These values are based on the importance of each position to the Houses power and influence in the city. There will be males with greater power and influence than many of the females. This is not to be confused with the honor that females must be given as part of drow culture, but it does mean that any females of lesser influence might want to think twice about barking... after all... they are not your weapons... they are the weapons of the Ilharess. You will want to consider how valuable she considers them before deciding upon your actions.
The proposal that I have for you in regards to player our drow characters more in line with the source material is this; most of us have more than one Dev'Lin character. We all like to try out various builds and styles of characters. As part of drow culture there is a constant struggle of position and power. With that struggle comes victories and defeats. My idea is to have death at the hands of a rival become permanent. In return for allowing your character to die you will be given EXP to attain half his or her level and a unique item up to DM discretion and of your choosing to begin a new character in the chain of events. You will not have lost everything that you worked so hard for and will get the opportunity to start over or try something different. Let me know what you think of this idea.
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Gar DevLin
Faern (House Mage)
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Posts: 20
Location: Quad Cities, Illinois
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds like as good a place as any to start. There will be adjustments as needed, but you need a place to start building from. |
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Raye 'Kan
M'elzar d'Veldrin lueth Ssussun (Shade)
Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 49
Location: NYC
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: |
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The ranking system seems fine to me. Within the fiction, no one was stupid enough to piss off the Archmage of Mez (Gomph) by being disrespectful to his face other than his own Ilharess and matron mother of the first house. Often, female characters forget this part of the fiction.
Personally, I would perfer to not loose my character for an item and exp exchange. Though on the other hand, I have no problem with my character falling in rank, or being in 'disgrace' as a result of RP, because that too offers some interesting options (rogue drow perhaps?)
anywho, that's my 2cp
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lil Veldri d'Szith (the Shade of Szith)
M'elzar d'Veldrin lueth Ssussun (the Sorciere's Master of Illusions) |
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Solaufein Dev'Lin
Site Admin
Joined: 30 Apr 2008
Posts: 86
Location: East Coast USA
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Much appreciated responses. We haven't gotten many responses in regards to the character reincarnation and I will pass along the information that when I inquired with a DM about this that he didn't think it would go over very well because it might be very time consuming for DMs to take care of. My initial thought behind the idea was that it might reduce the number of conflicts because people would realize the serious nature of "death" that we sometimes miss in our fantasy worlds. As Raye stated though... alot of hard work goes into the epic level characters and to simply get an item in return for all that you might feel a little short changed. I hope I can get some more opinions on this as we move along with a better understanding of our structure.
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calel3
Yathrin (Priestess)
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
Posts: 26
Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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sweet since Neph'thys is already a yathrin i m at rank 8
beware Bela:D
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Mordakarr Dev'Lin
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Joined: 01 May 2008
Posts: 26
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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I think the ranks are great. That should work well.
The death thing is a good idea, it'll make people take their actions more seriously. That being said, I don't think that giving them a new char 1/2 the level of their old one and an item compensates for the amount of time the player has invested in that car.
IMO a one for one swap would be more suitable. If you perma-kill a your level 20 char, then you can start another lvl 20 char etc. But I can see potential explotation problems with that and It would still take alot of DM's time... Still that would be my preffered method.
For those reasons, I'm voting "no". |
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Alzar
Member
Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Posts: 69
Location: Chicago IL,
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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ok
Ilharess (10)
Ulathtaller (10)
Yathtaller (9)
Archmage of Szith (9)
Warlord of Szith (9)
Head of the VDVM (9)
Yathrin (
Master of Sorcere (
Master of Melee (
House Wizard (
House Weaponmaster (
House Assassin (
Yath'abban (6)
Wizard (6)
Lieutenant (6)
Assassin (6)
Apprentice (4)
Soldier (4)
Thief (4)
So what about...
Ulathtaller (11)
Ilharess (10)
Archmage of Szith (10)
Warlord of Szith (10)
Head of the VDVM (10)
Yathtaller (9)
Ok I moved the Ulathtallar up to the top because that posistion should IMO be the most honored position in a Lolthian Drow society. I ranked it higher because the Ulathtallar as head of the temple can make decisions that effect the Yath of every house. While Ilharessen are powerfully ranked majority of their power rests within their own house. I feel this is the same between the Yathtallar and the heads of the academies. A Yathtallar reports to her Ilharess and the Ulathtallar. Ilharess, The academy heads and the ulathtallar all report to the council......
Hmmmm have more to say but will have to post later as I am at work and need to go deal with my boss rofl.
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"Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies within knife reach."
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Gar DevLin
Faern (House Mage)
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Posts: 20
Location: Quad Cities, Illinois
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe a trial RP run using this structure just to test it out is in order. Be a good event and could help to iron out whatever bugs there might be. Just my thought.
As far as the re-incarnation, that's a tough one to handle. No-one is going to want to regrind out there character all over again. The amnesia thing might work, but would be difficult to do. Unless there was a total change of name. A full rename of character. No level loss or anything like that, but for instance, Garicho Dev'Lin dies in battle, he would become Marty McFly. It would be easier to Rp if there is a name change included. I would just hate to see someone have to redo everything they did. Maybe a re-allocation of points to change character class as well. Just some ideas. |
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Mordakarr Dev'Lin
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Joined: 01 May 2008
Posts: 26
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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As far as the re-incarnation, that's a tough one to handle. No-one is going to want to regrind out there character all over again. The amnesia thing might work, but would be difficult to do. Unless there was a total change of name. A full rename of character. No level loss or anything like that, but for instance, Garicho Dev'Lin dies in battle, he would become Marty McFly. It would be easier to Rp if there is a name change included. I would just hate to see someone have to redo everything they did. Maybe a re-allocation of points to change character class as well. Just some ideas.
I remember doing this in the very early days of Dev'Lin and it worked quite well. Ask Maldaeron for more info... Don't think I should say more without his permission. |
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Solaufein Dev'Lin
Site Admin
Joined: 30 Apr 2008
Posts: 86
Location: East Coast USA
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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"Ok I moved the Ulathtallar up to the top because that posistion should IMO be the most honored position in a Lolthian Drow society. I ranked it higher because the Ulathtallar as head of the temple can make decisions that effect the Yath of every house. While Ilharessen are powerfully ranked majority of their power rests within their own house. I feel this is the same between the Yathtallar and the heads of the academies. A Yathtallar reports to her Ilharess and the Ulathtallar. Ilharess, The academy heads and the ulathtallar all report to the council......"
My reasoning for this is based on what I've read in books and the game guides that I have. Ulathtaller is the head of Temple... like the head of a school. In any book that I have read this position has always been held by the second most influential Baenre female in the city. The Ilharess of House Baenre has always been seen as the most powerful female in the city. Vilm is currently the Ulathtaller and if you inquire with her you'll find that she doesn't want to be more powerful than the Ilharessen, she's just there to help us mediate decisions for the city. The heads of the academy though, even the temple, should not rank as highly as the Matron Mother of any House. I gave the rank 10 points due to the influence that it has though, like you said, encompasses all of the Houses and not just Mori or Dev'Lin.
I don't necessarily disagree with your reasoning, just trying to remain as close to the source material as I can find. I'm going to take this structure to our next council meeting so that we can get everyone on the same page throughout all the Houses. There may be changes.
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Solaufein Dev'Lin
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Location: East Coast USA
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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In our Ruling Council meeting yesterday Nandra Morcane expressed the difficulties of recruiting someone to play a subordinate priestess. I am going to ask if there are any volunteers among our clergy who would be willing to "switch sides" in order to help keep the Houses active and participating in Szith events.
The reason I post this request here is because the manner in which we are going to handle these matters and perhaps others in the future is an answer to the "character death" question that I asked here.
The manner in which the new council is working together will allow us to have greater discussion about the actions that take place in our Houses without breaking out into the OOC fights that have been a regular occurance in the past.
This will be the first trial run for this so lets hope that it works well... so this is the plan... any time that a character is going to be killed as part of a RPing plot or storyline... the only thing the character will suffer is a name change. This name change will turn them into a shebali without a House. At this time a few options are going to be available. Other Houses will of course be interested in recruiting this player and RP stories where the character is the daughter of the Ilharess or something of that nature will be used to explain the characters appearance.
I think that this will work well for all involved. Please share any opinions with me on the subject.
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calel3
Yathrin (Priestess)
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
Posts: 26
Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:25 am Post subject: |
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does dying in grinding count?
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Alzar
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Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Posts: 69
Location: Chicago IL,
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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no then the DM's would be to busy changing all our names This is just in RP plots and position take overs like the Masters or houses etc... Should something of that nature end with your death.....
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"Don't fear the dark...fear what's in it"
"Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies within knife reach."
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Gar DevLin
Faern (House Mage)
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Posts: 20
Location: Quad Cities, Illinois
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the name change is the best way to go with it. |
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Qilintha Dev'Lin
Illharess (Matron Mother)
Joined: 27 Oct 2008
Posts: 52
Location: United Kingdom
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah I think overall it's a good idea.
Dev'lin is very strong and I don't think losing a priestess will put pressure on the house. However, it means a volunteer.. Being new to Dev'lin and not having the experience with my drow - I'd be inclined to say no for Qilintha.
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